It’s telling when someone “being too mean” is taken more seriously than overt trans misogyny. I hate it here.

well this is a fantastic thread

You don't have to resign yourself to the biodestiny forced upon you.

None of us do.

Transmasc experiences with misogyny are debilitating, regendering, dehumanizing, rooted in the same denial transfems face. Anti-transmasculinity makes one feel like womanhood is an inescapable prison.

It isn't, I promise. It isn't even inescapable for me as a transfem.

Transition doesn't fix society and it does change your relationship to it. That changing of position can be positive, though, even as it comes with new risks, because you're no longer fighting your own dysphoria and the mismatch between desire and embodiment every single moment.

So what if transitioning doesn't make societal misogyny or anti-transmasculinity abate?

YOU'RE ALREADY LIVING WITH IT.

Why not live with it as yourself, instead of a husk, a shell, an unrealized person whose misery compounds it all?

Why not break free?

Transition *works*. It changes your sex. It enables you to better embody an ideal, a look, a gender, a sexuality, a PERSONHOOD, one that actually encapsulates you more fully and freely.

You can become more yourself. You can become happier. That cloud in your mind can clear.

I don't have good news on that front. Patriarchy orients society around reproductive exploitation. That fear is well-founded.

What is incorrect ... is the idea that transition will change nothing, or that transition isn't worth.

That is wrong, and we need to say it loudly.

There is also this pervasive feeling of nihilism in transmasc communities that transition will only intensify their oppression further without changing anything significantly. Reproductive exploitation is the elephant in the room here. They feel it's inescapable.

Because it is.

As such, transmascs don't feel the same kind of dislocation from the imposition of womanhood on them as transfems feel from compulsory manhood.

Many believe their experiences overlap with cis women's entirely, even as they're picked out, marked, subject to violent regendering.

The desire to alter embodiment in significant ways and aspirations to masculinity are policed similarly in those violently feminized into being girls and women. It can be harder for transmascs to tease apart their own treatment from that of their peers, even if it's more intense.

Misogyny and anti-transmasculinity (and lesbophobia, as well) are distinct forces that still overlap significantly. Transfems can easily tell that boys aren't treated like we are, but it's harder for transmascs to separate *corrective* violence from misogynistic dehumanization.

In brief: it's easier for transfems to realize we're being treated differently from our peers. Transmisogyny is pervasive and begins punishing deviations from expected masculine behavior rather quickly, and our 'marking' is very noticeable to us.

It's different for transmascs.

So, to start off: I understand where this question is coming from, but I'd like to approach it with empathy rather than frustration.

I'd like to talk about a specific brand of cisfatalism in transmascs--'cisfatalism' quickly defined as the idea that transition isn't worthwhile.

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this is so fucked up. “trans women don’t experience [trans]misogyny when they’re in the closet” well WHY, pray tell, are they in the closet in the first place? USE YOUR BRAINS.

but we take such pains to grant that some group of trans women had male privilege as if it's important to carve out that warning. SOME were men! and I see no reason for it other than to hold it in reserve for if the mob needs a cudgel to delegitimize a trans woman's abjection

we recognize generally the more marginalized a woman is, the more stark the numbers she faces, among many other things. but we don't frame that as proof a less marginalized woman has gender privilege under patriarchy. she's a woman, that part's not advantaged

we grant this conditional language to trans women's facing transmisogyny because 'some transition later, so may get privileges'

the data shows the pattern is worse for trans women than cys. do we say some cys women have privilege due to that? no, because it's misogynistic rot

when cys women face high rates of rape, poverty, low pay, we note womanhood is disadvantaged

when trans women face lives with higher rates of poverty, rape and lower wages, even most transfeminists say 'well, not ALL trans women have male privilege'

wth is w/ these gymnastics?