James Riley
@888riley
Editorial Director at InnovationAus, providing news and commentary on public policy in the tech and innovation sectors. Cycles for sanity :)
13-03-2009 04:13:33
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Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ I'm not arguing against the internet, but the negative impacts of monopoly power. And simply making the point that Google does appropriate news content. I agree that the proposed Treasury/ACCC regime is weird, but applaud its intent (re journalism). Don't think it will work.
James Riley Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ How - specifically - does Google appropriate news content?
Here's a screenshot of Google News, and for a search. It displays headlines and then passes the reader to the publication if they click.
Is this appropriation in your view or is there something else I'm missing?
Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Yes the Google News product is an appropriation of the work of others as per your screenshots. But no I don't think you're missing anything, you just have a different view.
James Riley Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Even though they get permission for it and the publisher can withdraw that permission at any time?
Can you explain your view on this a little? I'm really struggling to understand.
Nick Lothian James Riley Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ It's absolutely true that Google would not have a product if other entities didn't have websites. There's appropriation in the sense that Google's product is literally an index of other people's content. We just have a different to James about whether that's a problem.
Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ If you can't see there is a problem, you are in the wrong game. I don't claim any easy or obvious way to unpick the downside impact of the model imposed by Google, but to say there is no problem is a bit fatuous. 1/3
Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ All that's happened - really - is that the ACCC, the media companies and Google/Facebook have said they will sit down and look at the issue. This thread has a tech billionaire crying 'theft!' and an employee of one of the media companies 2/3
Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ ... saying there is 'no problem!' As someone who has built a small publishing business over five years, I beg to differ on both counts. Monopoly power is a destructive force, not a creative one.
James Riley Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ Youβre verballing me.
Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Nick Lothian Mike Cannon-Brookes π¨πΌβπ»π§’π¦πΊ I am simply suggesting the lived experience of three people in this thread have influenced/produced these points of view. Yes always good to have the discussion and I have enjoyed this one.
James Riley Caitlin Fitzsimmons π§ββοΈ Nick Lothian Be careful judging others' lived experience.
Or I assume in doing so that you know I spent almost two years writing at a small, tech publication (now bankrupt) & hence am very familiar with the difficulties of small, media businesses in the online age? π€·π»ββοΈ
