⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ NFBUK 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) “Universal design is design that’s usable by all people, to the greatest extent possible, without the need for adaptation or specialized design.”

Ron Mace's own definition, with an emphasis on 'greatest extent possible'.

W.J.Quinn NFBUK 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) You actually believe, that Ron Mace was the endpoint in universal design..🤣🤣🤣

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK What proportion of that 20% have a disability relevant to making roads/cycle lanes challenging?

What proportion of that number have given feedback stating they have difficulty with well-designed floating bus stops?

𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. ⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Me thinks 4 Wheels doesn't understand anecdote. The 60% figure, for example, came from a case study involving a filmed crossing. That isn't spectacular evidence, but it isn't anecdote.

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ NFBUK 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) So when it comes to floating bus stops, you would have to present evidence of significant, consistent risk of injury or incident to counter the decades of evidence from across Europe showing that well designed floating bus stops are a net benefit to all active travel.

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Define 'large', as in what proportion of the national cohort of folks with relevant disabilities are represented?

W.J.Quinn NFBUK 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) Universal design is the start point.
toptal.com/designers/ui/i…

W.J.Quinn 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Wow. Wikipedia vs Webster..

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Again, I'm not doing a scattergun conversation.

Also I've just defined anecdote, you seem determined to find the term offensive, and yet it is precisely correct when describing the unanalysed, and untested testimonies of a small number of individuals.

This #WorldEarthDay take a look at climate change measures announced by the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Net Zero and Energy.

🚗some interesting transport developments. We'll be thinking about the impact on disabled people.

gov.scot/publications/c…

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ W.J.Quinn 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) Floating bus stops and shared use bus boarders are not based on universal design. They are the complete opposite. Access to and from the bus has to be direct from the pavement without having to step into or cross a cycle lane first.

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ Gwen ♿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🛸 bustony boomia Living Streets Edinburgh Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) Scottish Government The City of Edinburgh Council And yet this has been 'fine' for decades? Alongside removal or cycle infrastructure on the road of course.

W.J.Quinn 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Gives me a chance to present evidence in a chain..

W.J.Quinn 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK You'll just have to deal with 'scattergun' as I'm not paying for social media.

NFBUK ⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) That doesn't answer my question.

I'm asking what % of those with relevant disabilities have given personal testimony (not just a signature on a petition), stating trouble with well-designed floating bus stops?

What is the weight of the evidence?

W.J.Quinn 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK 'Few vocal individuals' ie, sit down and shut up minority person... A good look..

📢 Key finding:

Disabled passengers would be more likely to complain if they felt it was a worthwhile use of their time and energy and would lead to change.

✅ Operators should be learning from assistance failures.

An opportunity for the ORR to enforce/explore this?

⚫ 4 Wheels Rolling💜♿ 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) NFBUK Yes? But you're added the qualifier 'nothing more than', whereas to any social scientist, anecdotes are highly useful.

On the other hand, the anecdotes of a few, vocal individuals is no basis for policy.

W.J.Quinn NFBUK 𝕆𝕙 𝕟𝕠, 𝕀𝕥'𝕤 𝕙𝕚𝕞. 𝕎𝕖𝕒𝕣 𝕄𝕒𝕤𝕜𝕤. Donald Turvill Edinburgh Live RNIB Mobility & Access Committee for Scotland (MACS) Evidence has been presented that demonstrates the risk.

How many disabled people need to br killed by cyclists before you decide its not a net benefit? Why is the exclusion of disabled people a net benefit for everyone else?